{"id":32000,"date":"2022-06-04T14:45:29","date_gmt":"2022-06-04T18:45:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/wtbu\/?p=32000"},"modified":"2022-06-04T14:45:29","modified_gmt":"2022-06-04T18:45:29","slug":"interview-gordon-raphael","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/wtbu\/2022\/06\/04\/interview-gordon-raphael\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW: GORDON RAPHAEL"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By Jackson Tarricone<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The 2001 debut album \u201cIs This It\u201d by the Strokes has been mythologized not just in the history of the New York scene, but in the entire history of rock music. The Strokes and Gordon Raphael, however, have very real and concrete memories from this time. As much as it is magical, the album is undoubtedly a product of their hard work and deliberate artistic choices. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Gordon Raphael, producer of the Strokes\u2019 \u201cIs This It\u201d and \u201cRoom on Fire\u201d along with albums by Regina Spektor, Hinds, and more, has written a book documenting his journey to New York and his experience in Transporterraum with the Strokes along with how his life changed after that titled <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The World Is Going to Love This: Up From the Basement with the Strokes<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raphael was all too aware that he was writing a book without a title. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cAll this time I had in the back of my mind: \u2018I gotta come up with a title for the book!\u2019 and I had a really shitty title:\u00a0 \u2018My life with the Strokes,\u2019\u201d said Raphael. After numerous pun-heavy suggestions\u2014including but not limited to \u201cStrokes of Genius\u201d\u2014Raphael became more clear on what message he wanted his title to communicate: \u201cI knew I wanted to have somewhere \u2018the basement.\u2019 I had that in my mind a lot because my studio was in a basement and they came in my basement and after they were in my basement our life changed. We got to go out of the basement and around the world.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The second part of the title, which comes from inside the book, was suggested by his publisher. Raphael recalls the exact moment when he said those words: \u201cIn my book, I meet Regina Spektor in a studio and I don\u2019t want to work; I just spent a whole year working in London and I\u2019m just back in New York to party and have fun around christmas time. Someone introduces me to Regina and I say \u2018Hi, what do you do?\u2019 and she said \u2018Watch!\u2019 and she played \u2018Poor Little Rich Boy,\u2019 one hand on the piano, one hand with a drumstick and singing looking right at me. Within 10 seconds I thought \u2018oh my god, the world is going to love this! I gotta record it!\u2019\u201d The result was Regina Spektor\u2019s 2004 album \u201cSoviet Kitsch,\u201d featuring production and some percussion by Gordon Raphael, also leading to the Spektor-Strokes collaborative single, \u201cModern Girls &amp; Old Fashion Men\u201d later that year.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">According to the <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Seattleite and current UK resident, the book centers around an eight year period, although it is far from chronological: \u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">my mind goes on many flashbacks and flash forwards so it zigzags around a lot,\u201d he said. As for the different stops on this zig-zag through space and time, Raphael describes the book\u2019s content as \u201cautomatic stories\u201d already written in his mind: \u201cThe stories are stories I\u2019ve been telling every band that hires me for the last twenty years,\u201d Raphael explained. These stories range from his time in New York to his involvement in the Seattle grunge scene before that and how he got to New York in the first place.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The World is Going to Love This <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">is not just a memoir, however. There are several underlying messages in Raphael\u2019s book about both his life and beyond: \u201cI wanted to show that the real life adventure that I\u2018ve been on is quite unusual and kind of like an imagination or a dream. So many things are random and coincidence and serendipity,\u201d said Raphael. Some of these messages present almost as a thesis, Raphael explained: \u201cTruth is stranger than fiction, and in my case I may be able to prove that point in my book.\u201d Beyond its value as a recounting of this time in his life, Raphael also aims to inspire his audience through his own story. Raphael imagines that the main theme from the novel may be creativity itself: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cSomeone could see in my book the core of just being open and excited to create stuff, just loving the process of creativity.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Storytelling and creativity are two familiar animals to Raphael. What does not come as easy to him, however, is sitting in place: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cWriting the book, the hardest thing was always going to be sitting down long enough to compile the stories in print in a logical way [&#8230;] that book was never going to happen except for the fact that with the lockdown, I didn\u2019t have anywhere to go. I couldn&#8217;t go to see my friends, I couldn\u2019t go on tour, I couldn\u2019t do anything.\u201d Raphael stated. Raphael simply had no other option but to sit down and write his book, and he knew it: \u201cThis voice in my head was like \u2018Hey! Remember me! You could do this!\u2019\u201d This call was obliged by Raphael before long.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Partially because of this aversion to sitting still, Raphael was presented with the option of other mediums to tell his story. Attributing this quality to his long history of playing in bands since he was 13 years old, Raphael has liked performing. This is precisely what he has been doing for the past 20 years while recounting the stories that now appear in his book: \u201cWhen people ask me \u2018what was this like?\u2019 I get into the voices and the characters and the facial expressions; it\u2019s kind of like a performance.\u201d It is for that very reason that his friend Forest Kinney wanted to film him telling these stories, to capture Raphael\u2019s storytelling abilities more directly in the audiovisual format. However, the former New Yorker maintained that he wanted to present these experiences on paper.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Although he has never written a book before, the process was not entirely novel to Raphael: \u201cA lot of it ties into the same way I make music and I make art and I make videos. All my life I\u2019ve kind of been privileged and happy to be a creative person. What that means to me is, maybe I\u2019m just walking through the woods or on the street and an idea hits me. I start working on the idea, and it just comes out.\u201d Raphael had a similar experience writing the beginning of his book: \u201cI thought \u2018Okay, I\u2019m starting my book\u2026where do I start? Oh I know! I\u2019m in that caf\u00e9 that I loved so much in New York. I just want to talk about that caf\u00e9. I knew it could start there, and from there it\u2019s like \u2018how did I get to New York, man?\u2019\u201d Raphael relied on a combination of his own memory, stream of consciousness, and the internet to get from that caf\u00e9 to the many different sounds and scenes along the way in his book.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The very concept of editing seemed somewhat antithetical to Raphael\u2019s approach in his creative endeavors. At first, he was confident that he wouldn\u2019t need to do it at all: \u201cWhen my best friend Sarah said \u2018well, you wrote a book, now you&#8217;ve got to edit it,\u2019 I chuckled to myself and I thought, \u2018she doesn\u2019t know that I\u2019m actually the kind of writer that I don\u2019t really need editing!\u2019 I don\u2019t really edit my music too much. It just comes out and it\u2019s done.\u201d However, as anyone who has ever written anything knows, editing is a vital part of the process, a conclusion which Raphael soon came to himself when he read his first draft. Although this process took much longer, Raphael found that the edited iterations of his book were bringing his stories into closer, more precise, not to mention coherent, detail: \u201cI think I edited it 4 or 5 times. I\u2019ve never even read a book 5 times in a row! By the 5th time it actually started to sound like something.\u201d After six months of editing, the book was complete.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raphael writing a book about his experience in music is quite fitting for him. The world renowned producer was a \u201creal competitive\u201d reader as a child, always trying to outreach his classmates. This process afforded Raphael a chance to interweave his two passions, reading and music. To that same end, most of the stories Raphael seeks out now are music documentaries: \u201cI just always love stories about musicians,\u201d said Raphael. Now, he is adding his own story to that list.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Along with music documentaries, Raphael also engages with a great deal of music and has been doing so for much of his life: \u201cI listened to music so much, so many albums from the time I was ten, I never stopped. Even now I listen to four albums a day. Even when I\u2019m working, at night I put on an album to relax, in the morning I listen to music.\u201d Given his career, this comes as no surprise. In fact, Raphael cites music as an influence on his unique, sometimes syntax-defying writing style: \u201cLyrics just informed my style. Also, having come from Seattle and lived in LA a little, New York a little, London a little, there\u2019s a lot of slang that my different peer groups would say that I adopted.\u201d One example which appears in his book is the word \u201cstyly,\u201d a word which Gordon said raised the eyebrows of his editor Ted George. Raphael did not change the word: \u201clet people go like \u2018huh?\u2019 That\u2019s how I want to say it,\u201d he then clarified. Raphael\u2019s language, much like the lyrics to a Velvet Underground or Siouxsie and the Banshees record, requires a certain amount of disentanglement. George\u2019s reaction was precisely the effect Raphael intends to evoke with his writing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Along with writing and editing the book, Raphael also faced the task of finding a publisher. At first, both he and his agent ran into some difficulties finding a publisher. After his manuscript was \u201cjust sitting around\u201d for a while, he got a call from a musician and journalist he had worked with in the past by the name of Ned Dylan who had a lead on a publisher looking for a book by a musician, which is how Gordon got in touch with Wordville. Three days after he sent his manuscript to Lucy Tertia George at Wordville, she had read it all. Tertia George then wrote the following to Raphael: \u201cI really like your book because it\u2019s about the creative process and how musicians make music in a studio. People don\u2019t really know that, so I think this is a really good book for our publishing company.\u201d In response, Raphael wrote:\u00a0 \u201cFirst of all, you read it in three days, you\u2019re not asking me to remove half of the content, you\u2019re not being starstruck by the names and famous people I might mention, you&#8217;ve actually noticed that I\u2019m talking about the creative process and my philosophy of sound\u2026 I love you\u2014let\u2019s do this!\u201d Together, with Wordville and his editor Ted George, they tightened up the book without sacrificing its stylistic (or \u201cstyly\u201d) integrity or the heart of the story.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As Raphael has said previously, the making of \u201cIs This It\u201d was a strange time in his life. With this absurdity, however, comes gratitude: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cThe work that they did, their songs that they wrote, Julian\u2019s songs and their whole thing, that\u2019s powerful. I guess it\u2019s part of our culture and it\u2019s legendary stuff by now. I\u2019m more grateful than I am confounded.\u201d Raphael also had more thanks to give: <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cI have such a huge debt to the masters and artists and albums that made me want to be in music and made me understand the world through these albums I heard as a kid and still do. To know something I worked on, even as a producer, is having this great inspirational effect on people for 20 years just feels good and it\u2019s very humbling to know that I had a chance to be part of the giving back,\u201d he said.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Raphael is giving back in more ways than one, producing for bands from around the world. One such group is a New York band called Cab Ellis and their upcoming album, \u201cThe East Coast Hold On.\u201d Raphael also recorded with a Berlin-based band composed of Scottish and Ecuadorian musicians called Ponte Pilas along with another New York outfit known as Girl Skin.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The World is Going to Love This<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is available for preorder now and is slated for release on July 2nd of this year. In the meantime, Raphael is doing a book signing on June 14th at Rough Trade East in London, which he described as a \u201cfull circle\u201d event since Rough Trade were the first label to sign the Strokes in 2001.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Jackson Tarricone The 2001 debut album \u201cIs This It\u201d by the Strokes has been mythologized not just in the history of the New York scene, but in the entire history of rock music. 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