{"id":286,"date":"2020-03-22T11:34:00","date_gmt":"2020-03-22T15:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/storiesofwomen\/?p=286"},"modified":"2020-04-04T23:36:09","modified_gmt":"2020-04-05T03:36:09","slug":"interview-24","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/storiesofwomen\/2020\/03\/22\/interview-24\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview #24"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Story of a 75-year-old Kurdish woman, the witness of past coups, the mother of seven children who\u00a0suffered from the post-coup persecutions to the deepest. With a brother who was arrested in the 1980&#8217;s coup, she still finds the 2016&#8217;s failed-coup more devastating with her sons and daughters being either dismissed, detained, or imprisoned. In her late age, where she had hoped to feel peace, she is now grieving for small children who are left behind with no parent.\u00a0 <\/span><span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><!--more--><span>The titles in bold are added by translator to make the text more readable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/storiesofwomen\/stories\/\">Back to list of interviews<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>English Translation:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>My feelings, my emotions would not fit in any book, notebook..<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>I am giving permission to record my voice during this interview. God bless you for doing such a wonderful thing. The cruelty we have witnessed in the past two years was not seen anytime in history. As I said before, they would not fit in any book, or notebook. We have seen the 1960 coup, and 1980 coup in Turkey. As a 70-80 year old person, I can say these kind of things never happened in this country. I don\u2019t know what I should tell you. The kids.. the women just gave birth.. separated families.. Kids are out, the parents are in jail. It is hard to describe. Such cruelty was never seen in these lands.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>At first, they did not tell me that (my daughter) Z&#8230; was sent to prison. I learned about it a week later. I was completely down, I collapsed. What did she do except going after God\u2019s blessing? In our family, or extended family, no one had been jailed before. We do not even know where a prison is. She is very sensitive about others\u2019 rights. I don\u2019t know what caused all of these.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>I don\u2019t know. I cannot express myself. We could not imagine such things would happen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>Grandchildren\u2019s feelings<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>How did I feel? Happiness, serenity. But what about the others? My family got out, but one cannot be happy about it while other people\u2019s families are still in prison. I continuously prayed for everyone. I always pray God to help everyone, and bring order to our community again.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>My daughter was released but her sisters weren\u2019t. They are being prosecuted. Their kids were left without a mom. The kids keep crying at night, wanting their mothers to come. I tell them that their mothers will come but they say \u201cYou are lying, I will never see my mother again.\u201d One kid cried at school, in front of his teacher. We will pray that they will come. We seek refuge in Allah.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>Her feelings during the coup\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>On the night of the coup, we felt like it was doomsday. We felt so down, I could not express myself. My family, my extended family, everyone. In the morning, they told us what happened. We thought that these could be a sign of doomsday.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Nothing like this had happened before. For example, in the 1980 coup, the military took over. The soldiers stood in the streets. They did not let anyone go anywhere. They secured everywhere. They did not fire anyone from their job, and they did not jail anyone. If there was a criminal, they just arrested him\/her. They did not insult anyone, they did not behave badly to the common people. Such a cruelty did not happen even in coups in 1980, 1960, or February 28 (1997). I cannot understand. Our longtime friends, our relatives are looking at us like we are terrorists. They used to come over to our home almost every day before. Now, they do not even greet us, none of us. They thought that we followed this group. That\u2019s why these things happened.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Definitely, there was a lot of resentment. We were offended a lot. I kept my silence because you cannot talk to anyone, and you cannot explain yourself.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>I trust in God. I could not do anything, but I believe in God. There is nothing else I can do other than praying to God. They all know very well who we are. They were at our home all the time. Now, they are escaping from us wherever they see us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>They would not regret this. They will regret it when they experience similar things. If they are hurt just like us, then they would understand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Even if I forgive them, nothing will come back. Everything is still the same. Even if you forgive them, at some point, you talk to them, and close relatives are unwilling to talk to us. I still don\u2019t know what we did wrong. On one hand, they are afraid to be seen with us. My son in Istanbul called his uncle to celebrate Eid, but they did not answer the phone. Z&#8230; was in jail at that time. Why? Because his sister was in prison. Then, my son went back to our hometown to take care of some business there. He wanted to see his uncle while he was there. He called him, but his uncle didn\u2019t pick up the phone. What would you expect from them? His own uncle. There was nothing like this before.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Before these events, people appreciated this group\u2019s activities and facilities. They sent their kids to this group\u2019s study centers because it was safe for them. They used to tell me \u201cIs there anywhere else we can trust, Dear Aunt?\u201d Now, they became an enemy. There is no justice anymore. No government. No court, no trial. They all became one big lie. Everything is in the hand of One Man! He plays all as he wishes. I could not do anything else but pray to Allah. How can we get back to normal? Only after this government changes. When this government changes, then things will get back to normal. People will understand the truth, the reality of things. I don\u2019t know how long it will take, maybe 10, maybe 15 years. While there is life, there is hope..<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>On Eid, I visited my father-in-law. He told me that they put H&#8230; in jail again. H didn\u2019t harm anyone, and he did not do anything but help people. Allah is the greatest. Don\u2019t worry, everything will get back to normal again soon. His patients visited him to thank him. They were very grateful to him for what he did for them. He was an excellent person.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Yes, he was a medical doctor. He was a neurologist at X* Hospital. Now, some of them in jail, their kids are somewhere. We can neither visit them nor see them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><i><span>*One of the most prestigious hospitals in Turkey.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>Comparison with 1980 coup<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>During the 1980 coup\u2026 They gathered all the people, including college professors. They arrested 70 people. My older brother was among them. Even at that time, nothing happened. Nothing like this cruelty took place. What did they do? They were reading books, some religious books. They arrested them for being \u201cNurcu\u201d (A religious sect). They took them, and put them in prison. Some of them were colonels, captains. My older brother was a religious officer in a town. They filed a lawsuit, and won. They got back to their jobs at that time. Now, it is completely different. They arrested kids, school teachers, doctors, professors, pregnant women. Police officers were waiting for pregnant women in hospitals to arrest them. They took the women who just gave birth, and put them in prison with little kids. Incredible. This is outrageous. The people who did these cannot be called human. I cannot name it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>At that time, the people in power were leftist people, mostly non-believers. Now, they are all religious people with Qur\u2019an in one hand. They call themselves very good Muslims. Then, they do all these cruel things to these people. It is incredible. I don\u2019t know how this will end.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>We are afraid to visit each other with our very old friends. This is because they just arrest people when a few people get together for some reason. I am older than most of my friends, so the others want to visit me at least once every two weeks. I told them not to come, I don\u2019t want something to happen to you because of us. We are so afraid, we are so lost. I would not believe that one Muslim could be so cruel to another Muslim this way. I cannot picture it in my head.<\/span><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>I pray that Allah may help all the people in need, granting freedom to the people in prison. May Allah reunite separated families, May Allah grant all these people the jobs they lost. My daughter got a 4-year college degree with great success. Now, she cannot find a job. She has been home for 2 years. Why? It is because her brothers were arrested. Hatice was fired from her job. Any crime is personal, it belongs to the person who committed it. No one could be arrested for someone else\u2019s crime. If they committed a crime, why did you wait so long? If this group was indeed so bad, why were you together with them so recently? We supported them to get in power. Now, they became powerful, they are government, they went after us. They can come for us anytime, too. We don\u2019t know.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Turkish Transcription:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.bu.edu\/storiesofwomen\/stories\/\">Back to list of interviews<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Benim hislerim, benim duygular\u0131m hesaba, deftere, kitaba s\u0131\u011fmaz ki\u2026\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Ses kayd\u0131na izin veriyorum. Allah raz\u0131 olsun bu \u015feyi yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in Bu iki senedir g\u00f6r\u00fclen zul\u00fcmler, \u015feyler hi\u00e7bir zaman g\u00f6r\u00fclmemi\u015f. Dedi\u011fim gibi ne deftere, ne kitaba s\u0131\u011facak gibi bir \u015fey de\u011fil. Biz 60 darbe inkilab\u0131n\u0131 da g\u00f6rd\u00fck, 80\u2019i de g\u00f6rd\u00fck. Ne bileyim, ya\u015f\u0131m\u0131z gelmi\u015f 70-80\u2019e, b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey hi\u00e7 bir zaman olmam\u0131\u015f. Bilemiyorum ki k\u0131z\u0131m. Anlatsam, dedi\u011fim gibi dertler kaleme s\u0131\u011fmaz. \u00c7ocuklar b\u00f6yle, yeni do\u011fum yapm\u0131\u015f kad\u0131nlar, kar\u0131 kocalar ayr\u0131, her biri bir yanda. \u00c7ocu\u011fu d\u0131\u015far\u0131da, babas\u0131 i\u00e7eride, kar\u0131 koca i\u00e7eride, \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 d\u0131\u015far\u0131da, ben ne bileyim. Anlatacak gibi de\u011fil, b\u00f6yle bir zul\u00fcm hi\u00e7 bir zaman g\u00f6r\u00fclmemi\u015f.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Z..\u2019m\u0131n hapse girmesinden, bana s\u00f6ylemediler, ben bir hafta 10 g\u00fcn sonra duydum. Y\u0131k\u0131ld\u0131m, nas\u0131l tarif edeyim, art\u0131k dedim, ne bileyim, b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey, hi\u00e7bir zaman, bu \u00e7ocuklar ne yapm\u0131\u015f da Allah r\u0131zas\u0131ndan ba\u015fka ne yapm\u0131\u015flar? Bizim s\u00fclalemizde, ne kay\u0131nbabamgilin taraf\u0131nda, ne bizim taraf\u0131m\u0131zda, \u201cHapishane nerede?\u201d deseler kimse hi\u00e7 bir yolunu bilmezlerdi. \u201cKarakol nerede?\u201d deselerdi, \u00f6n\u00fcnden ge\u00e7seler bilmezlerdi. Hi\u00e7 kimsenin hakk\u0131na girmezler, hukukuna girmezler. Ne oldu da b\u00f6yle oldu? Bilmiyorum. Allah\u2019\u0131n tufan\u0131 m\u0131yd\u0131 bilemedim.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Ne bileyim? Anlatam\u0131yorum. Hi\u00e7 akl\u0131m\u0131zdan ge\u00e7mezdi ki? Hi\u00e7 akl\u0131m\u0131zdan ge\u00e7mezdi b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey.[&#8230;]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>[Torunlar\u0131n\u0131n hisleri]<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Ne mi hissettim? Mutluluk, huzur, ama i\u015fte di\u011ferleri? Benimki \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ama di\u011ferleri de i\u00e7eride olunca insan mutlu da olam\u0131yor inan ki. Onlar orada, benimki \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ama devaml\u0131 dua ederken, hep Allah\u2019\u0131m hepsini kurtar, ortal\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131za birlik d\u00fczen ver, hepsini kurtar diye dua ediyorum her zaman.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Benimki \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ama \u00f6b\u00fcr karde\u015fleri \u00e7\u0131kmad\u0131. Onlar da orada zul\u00fcm g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. Annesiz kald\u0131lar. \u00c7ocuklar gece a\u011fl\u0131yorlar. \u201cAnnen gelecek yavrum, annen gelecek o\u011flum\u201d diyorum. \u201cSiz bize yalan s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz. Annem gelmeyecek, annemi bir daha g\u00f6remeyece\u011fim\u201d diye okulda bile \u00e7ocuk oturup a\u011flam\u0131\u015f \u00f6\u011fretmeninin yan\u0131nda. Ne bileyim, bilemiyorum ki&#8230; Gelecek, yavrum dua edelim, dua edersek, dua ediyoruz ediyoruz ama kabul olmuyor. \u201cDuam\u0131z kabul olmuyor\u201d diyor, \u201cSiz bize yalan s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz\u201d diyorlard\u0131 \u00e7ocuklar. Ama i\u015fte bir \u00fcmit Allah\u2019tan \u00fcmit kesilmez yavrum gelecek in\u015fallah, gelecek, ba\u015fka bir \u015fey, Allah\u2019a s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmaktan ba\u015fka bir tesellimiz yoktur.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>Darbe gecesi olan hisleri\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>O zaman k\u0131yamet kopuyor dedim. Darbe gecesinde. K\u0131yamet kopuyor art\u0131k dedim. K\u0131yametin son g\u00fcnleri. O kadar y\u0131k\u0131ld\u0131k ki, hi\u00e7 tarif edemem. Bizim aile \u00f6yle&#8230; G\u00f6r\u00fcmcemin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 hepsi \u00f6yle&#8230; 6-7 \u00e7ocuk hepsi, bir yan\u0131 i\u00e7eri de bir yan\u0131 ihra\u00e7, hepsi bir. Sabah kalkt\u0131k ki, \u201cB\u00f6yle b\u00f6yle olmu\u015f\u201d dediler k\u0131zlar. K\u0131yametin alametleri mi diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fck hep. Ne bileyim, anlatam\u0131yorum ki.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>\u00c7evresinden g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc tepki<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Hi\u00e7 b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey olmad\u0131. Mesela askeriyede oluyordu, s\u0131k\u0131y\u00f6netim oldu 80\u2019de. Askerler sokaklarda duruyordu, milleti i\u015fine b\u0131rakm\u0131yordu \u201cBir kaza olur, bir\u015fey olur\u201d diye. Milleti bekliyorlard\u0131. Hi\u00e7 kimseyi ne i\u015finden att\u0131lar, ne hapse att\u0131lar. Bir su\u00e7lu varsa, su\u00e7luyu g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcp ayr\u0131 birime, ayr\u0131 mesela&#8230; Ama hi\u00e7 b\u00f6yle millete kar\u015f\u0131, insanlara kar\u015f\u0131 bir hakaret, b\u00f6yle bir zul\u00fcm ne 80\u2019de oldu, ne 60\u2019da oldu, ne 28 \u015eubat\u2019ta oldu. Ne bileyim, bu bir afat oldu. Ben bilmiyorum, akl\u0131m yetmiyor art\u0131k. Bizi tan\u0131yanlar, bilakis kay\u0131nlar\u0131m, g\u00f6r\u00fcmcemlerin kocalar\u0131 aynen b\u00f6yle sanki bize ter\u00f6rist g\u00f6z\u00fcyle bak\u0131yorlard\u0131. Aynen \u00f6yle. Hi\u00e7 eskiden evimizden \u00e7\u0131km\u0131yorlard\u0131, \u015fimdi selam bile vermiyorlar. Hi\u00e7birimize. Ne bilem. \u201cSiz bunlar\u0131n pe\u015finden gittiniz, onun i\u00e7in b\u00f6yle oldu. Siz onlara yard\u0131m ettiniz, ondan b\u00f6yle oldu.\u201d Ne bilem, konu\u015fulmuyor ki, d\u00fc\u015fman g\u00f6z\u00fcyle bak\u0131l\u0131yor.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Muhakkak k\u0131r\u0131lmalar \u00e7ok oldu. \u00c7ok k\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131k. Susuyorum, \u00e7o\u011funlukla susuyorum. Kimseye bir \u015fey demiyorum, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc kimseye bir \u015fey anlatam\u0131yorsun. Seninle konu\u015famad\u0131\u011f\u0131m gibi onlarla da konu\u015fam\u0131yorum. \u0130nsanlar b\u00f6yle olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilseydi, kim giderdi? Kimse gitmezdi de\u011fil mi?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Tevekk\u00fcl ediyorum, bir \u015fey yapam\u0131yorum. Allah b\u00fcy\u00fckt\u00fcr. Duadan ba\u015fka bir \u015fey yapm\u0131yorum. Hepsi bilmiyorlar m\u0131, \u015fimdiye kadar evimizde etraf\u0131m\u0131zda d\u00f6rt d\u00f6n\u00fcyorlard\u0131. \u015eimdi g\u00f6rd\u00fckleri yerde ka\u00e7\u0131yorlar.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Hi\u00e7 pi\u015fman olmazlar. Ne zaman pi\u015fman olurlar biliyor musun? Onlar\u0131n da, kendilerinden birinin ba\u015flar\u0131na b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey gelirse, belki o zaman pi\u015fman olurlar. Ci\u011ferleri yanarsa, o zaman pi\u015fman olurlar. Ama art\u0131k i\u015f i\u015ften ge\u00e7mi\u015f olur.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Affetsem de hi\u00e7 bir \u015fey yerine gelmiyor. Herkes kendi yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ile kal\u0131yor. Affetsen de, mecbur yeri geliyor. Konu\u015fuyorsun, yak\u0131n akrabalar dil ucuyla konu\u015fuyorlar, seninle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istemiyorlar. Ne bilem, ne yapm\u0131\u015fsak bilmiyorum art\u0131k. Bir yandan kendilerinden korkuyorlar. Z.. i\u00e7eride iken, \u0130stanbul\u2019daki o\u011flan bayramda amcas\u0131na telefon etmi\u015f, bayramla\u015fal\u0131m diye. A\u00e7mam\u0131\u015f telefonunu. Niye? O\u011flan\u0131n karde\u015fi, k\u0131z\u0131m i\u00e7eride ya o zaman. Ondan sonra tekrar onlar\u0131n memleketine gitmi\u015f benim o\u011flan, bir i\u015fi d\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015f. \u201cBuraya gelmi\u015fken amcam\u0131 da g\u00f6reyim\u201d demi\u015f. Aram\u0131\u015f, ne a\u00e7m\u0131\u015f, ne de d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015f. Bunlardan ne beklersin? \u00d6z amcas\u0131. \u0130\u015fte bilmiyorum. Yok, \u00f6nceden b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey yoktu.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>\u00d6nceden kendileri de takdir ediyorlard\u0131. Hepsi \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131 oraya g\u00f6nderdiler. Bazen \u201c\u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131z nereye gidiyor dersane\u201d laf olsun diye soruyorum. \u201cBa\u015fka gidecek yer mi var hala? Ba\u015fka gidecek yer mi var yenge? Ora g\u00fcvenli.\u201d \u015eimdi ne oldu? D\u00fc\u015fman oldu. Adillik mi? Yok k\u0131z\u0131m. Hukuk mu var? H\u00fck\u00fcmet mi var? Hi\u00e7 bir \u015fey. Mahkeme mi var? Hepsi yalan oldu. Hepsi adam\u0131n kendi elinde. \u0130pini istedi\u011fi gibi oynat\u0131yor. Allah\u2019a havale etmekten ba\u015fka bir \u015fey yapam\u0131yorum. Nas\u0131l d\u00f6necek? Bu h\u00fck\u00fcmet de\u011fi\u015fmeyince d\u00f6nmez. Bu h\u00fck\u00fcmet de\u011fi\u015fecek, zaman ge\u00e7ecek. Onlar art\u0131k neyin ne oldu\u011funu \u00f6\u011frenecek. Ondan sonra belki bir d\u00fczelme olur. O da art\u0131k 10 sene mi s\u00fcrer, 15 sene mi s\u00fcrer bilmiyorum? Allah\u2019tan \u00fcmit kesilmez, in\u015fallah d\u00fczelir.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Ben bayramda kay\u0131nbabamgile gittim. Kay\u0131nbabam dedi ki \u201cH&#8230;\u2019u tekrar i\u00e7eri alm\u0131\u015flar.\u201d H&#8230;\u2019un hi\u00e7 kimseye zarar\u0131 yoktu. Herkese iyilikten ba\u015fka bir\u015fey yapm\u0131yordu. Allah b\u00fcy\u00fck. \u0130n\u015fallah \u00fcz\u00fclme, d\u00fczelecek. Sen niye bu kadar \u00fcz\u00fcl\u00fcyorsun? \u00c7oluk \u00e7ocuk, devaml\u0131 \u015feyler, gelen hastalar\u0131, bir giden \u201cDaha bunun gibi adam hi\u00e7 g\u00f6rmemi\u015fiz.\u201d diyordu. Bir hastas\u0131 gelmi\u015f, demi\u015f \u201cHocam sen melek misin? Sen nesin? G\u00f6kten mi indin? Yerden mi geldin? Biz seni anlayam\u0131yoruz. Sen nas\u0131l bir adams\u0131n?\u201d \u0130yilikten ba\u015fka hi\u00e7bir \u015fey yapm\u0131yordu bunlar. Ne bileyim.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Evet doktordu, X\u2026 de n\u00f6roloji doktoru idi, do\u00e7ent. Ne bilem i\u015fte. \u015eimdi kimisi hapiste. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131 bir yanda, kendi bir yanda. Ne gidebiliyoruz, ne g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015febiliyoruz.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>80 darbesi ile k\u0131yas<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>80 darbesinde\u2026 O zaman da milleti toplad\u0131lar, hocalar\u0131\u2026 80 darbesinde hocalar\u0131 toplad\u0131lar, hepsini h\u00fccreye att\u0131lar. 70 ki\u015fi. Benim abim de i\u00e7inde. O zaman yine de b\u00f6yle \u015fey olmad\u0131, bunun gibi zul\u00fcm olmad\u0131. Yapt\u0131klar\u0131 ne idi? Kitap okuyorlard\u0131. \u201cRisale okuyorlar\u201d diye bunlar\u0131 toplad\u0131lar, nurcular diye. Ald\u0131lar, g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fcler hapse. Sonra bunlar sonra yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z bir \u015fey yok. G\u00f6rd\u00fcn\u00fcz, kendileri de i\u00e7eride, albaylar, yarbaylar, hepsi toplan\u0131yordu. Benim abim din g\u00f6revlisi, m\u00fcft\u00fc idi. Bunlar mahkemeye verdiler. Sonra mahkemeyi kazand\u0131lar. Hepsi i\u015fine d\u00f6nd\u00fc. Ama \u015fimdi ki b\u00f6yle ne yapm\u0131\u015flar ki? O zaman da bir \u015fey yapmam\u0131\u015flard\u0131. \u015eimdi ufa\u011f\u0131, \u00e7ocu\u011fundan, b\u00fcy\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnden, \u00f6\u011frencisinden, \u00f6\u011fretmeninden, doktorundan, do\u00e7entinden ne bilem, hamile kad\u0131nlar&#8230; \u015eimdi hastanede polisler hamile kad\u0131n i\u00e7in bekliyor. Do\u011fum yapan\u0131 tekerlekli sandalye ile al\u0131p g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fcler. Hapse g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fcler, \u00e7ocuk bir yanda, \u015fey bir yanda. Bunlar, yani yap\u0131lanlar, zul\u00fcmden ba\u015fka bir \u015fey de\u011fil. Art\u0131k bilmiyorum bunun d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesini, b\u00f6yle bir insan olamaz. \u201cBu insan de\u011fil\u201d diyorum ben. Nas\u0131l bir adam bilemiyorum.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>O zaman yapanlar hep solculard\u0131, inanmayan insanlard\u0131 genel itibariyle. \u015eimdi, bu kendisi eline Kuran-\u0131 Kerim\u2019i al\u0131yor, \u201cBen \u015f\u00f6yle M\u00fcsl\u00fcman\u0131m, b\u00f6yle M\u00fcsl\u00fcman\u0131m, Bismillah\u201d diyerekten ba\u015fl\u0131yor, ondan sonra da kalk\u0131yor bu zulm\u00fc b\u00fct\u00fcn insanlara yap\u0131yor. Bu olacak bir \u015fey de\u011fil, ama yapt\u0131n ne bilem. Bilemiyorum ne olacaksa sonumuz.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Y\u0131llarca beraber oldu\u011fumuz arkada\u015flar\u0131m\u0131z, beraber oturup sohbet etti\u011fimiz arkada\u015flar\u0131m\u0131zla birbirimize gidip gelmeye korkuyoruz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc, 2 ki\u015fiyi bir arada g\u00f6r\u00fcnce, hemen \u201cHa bunlar da burada ne program \u00e7eviriyor\u201d deyip al\u0131p g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcyorlar. Onun i\u00e7in korkumuzdan birbirimize, -ben biraz ya\u015fl\u0131y\u0131m da arkada\u015flar i\u00e7inde- ya\u015fl\u0131 olunca, istiyorlar ki mesela en az 15 g\u00fcnde bir ziyaretine gelelim. Diyorum \u201cGelmeyin. Bizim y\u00fcz\u00fcm\u00fczden size de bir zarar gelir.\u201d Yani o kadar g\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcz korkmu\u015f ki, ne yapaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 bilmiyoruz. Bir m\u00fcsl\u00fcman\u0131n bir m\u00fcsl\u00fcmana bunu yapaca\u011f\u0131 hi\u00e7 kimsenin akl\u0131na de\u011fil, r\u00fcyas\u0131na bile gelmezdi.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span>Bu \u015feyin d\u00fczelmesi i\u00e7in, Cenab-\u0131 Allah darda olanlar\u0131 kurtars\u0131n, hapiste olanlar\u0131 kurtars\u0131n, ortal\u0131k d\u00fczelsin, i\u015flerine g\u00fc\u00e7lerine yuvalar\u0131na kavu\u015fsunlar. K\u0131z 4 sene \u00fcniversite okudu. Takdirle \u00fcniversitesini bitirdi. \u015eimdi i\u015fe giremiyor. 2 senedir evde oturuyor. Niye? Karde\u015fleri h\u00fck\u00fcm alm\u0131\u015f, hapse girmi\u015fler. H&#8230; ihra\u00e7 oldu. Niye? Karde\u015fi hapisteymi\u015f. Ne bileyim su\u00e7 \u015fahsidir. Bunlar\u0131n bir su\u00e7u varsa, \u015fimdiye kadar nerede idiniz? Zaman\u0131nda beraberken neredeydiniz. \u201cBunlar k\u00f6t\u00fc idi.\u201d Niye birlikteydiniz? Birlik olduk, beraber olduk. Su\u00e7umuz bizim destek olmam\u0131z oldu. \u0130ktidara geldi, ba\u015f\u0131m\u0131za bunlar\u0131 getirdi. Bilemiyorum i\u015fte. Bizim k\u0131z \u015fimdi i\u015fe giremiyor. \u0130ki senedir oturuyor. Karde\u015fleri h\u00fck\u00fcm yedi\u011finden dolay\u0131 i\u015fe giremiyor, bir \u015fey yapam\u0131yor. D\u0131\u015far\u0131 da \u00e7\u0131kam\u0131yor. Diyoruz her an bize de gelebilirler.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><span><\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<pre>Copyrighted to Undaunted Voices of Turkey<\/pre>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Story of a 75-year-old Kurdish woman, the witness of past coups, the mother of seven children who\u00a0suffered from the post-coup persecutions to the deepest. With a brother who was arrested in the 1980&#8217;s coup, she still finds the 2016&#8217;s failed-coup more devastating with her sons and daughters being either dismissed, detained, or imprisoned. 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